Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV

Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV

• 1. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cris…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 1 of 24 Support Us JEROME-GELB Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired American Thought Leaders Views 5.3K • Dec-07-2024 [FULL TRANSCRIPT BELOW] Drew Pinsky, popularly known as Dr. Drew, is an addiction medicine specialist and host of the TV series “Ask Dr. Drew.” For decades, he has been studying public health and drug addiction in America, exposing its ongoing challenges in nationally syndicated television and radio programs. He saw early on during the COVID-19 pandemic that the response from the authorities would cause unnecessary harm and suffering. “A member of the school board came in and said, Live Chat Featured Videos Dr. Drew: From the Opioid… Crisis to COVID, the Physician– Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired American Thought Leaders 22 hours • 176 South Korean Parliament… Blocks President’s Martial Law; China Restricts Critical Mineral Exports to US NTD News Today Dec 04 • 7 1 President Biden Pardo… His Son Hunter Biden; Trump Picks Kash Patel for FBI Director | Capitol Report Capitol Report Dec 03 • 12 31 Report Finds Labor… Violations in Starbucks’s China Supply Chains; South Korea Lifts Martial Law China in Focus Dec 04 • 34 14 I’m Suing Harvard for… Violating the Civil Rights of Jewish Students: Shabbos Kestenbaum American Thought Leaders Dec 04 • 286 106 Nine Commentari… on the Communist Party Part 3: The Tyranny of the Chinese Communist Party Documentaries Dec 01 • 16 2 White House Defends… President for Pardoning Son; Trump Nominates NTD Evening News Dec 03 • 10 24 109 Liked Save 31 176 Donate Support Us JEROME-GELB

• 2. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cris…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 2 of 24 ‘We’re going to lock the schools down.’ And I said, ‘Why? Why are you doing that? Who did you consult with? Did an infectious disease doctor come in and say you’ve got to do this?’ ‘No, it’s just the right thing to do.’ ... I knew then that was big, big, big trouble,” says Pinsky. He says that how authorities reacted to the pandemic followed a similar playbook to how they responded to the opioid crisis. And in both cases, he argues, the physician-patient relationship has degraded. “The physician-patient unit is so badly encumbered and so badly adulterated right now that it’s hard for it to function,” says Pinsky. “There are some of us that can’t get over COVID—not the virus—the way our country dealt with the COVID, just mind-boggling.” Pinsky is particularly concerned about the centralization and algorithmizing of medicine. “The young folks are being taught to look at the computer and just fill out forms, do an algorithm, look things up if you don’t know—I mean, I don’t know how you develop judgment. I don’t know how you think about a risk-reward if all you’re doing is following an algorithm on your electronic medical record. It’s really disturbing,” he says. Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times. *Big thanks to our sponsor for this episode Patriot Gold Group. Check them out here: https://ept.ms/3sr5LhH Trump Begins Trade War… Over Plan to Replace US Dollar | Live With Josh Crossroads Dec 03 • 227 156 Record Numbers to… Shop on Black Friday; 6 Democratic Lawmakers Report Bomb Threats NTD News Today Nov 30 • 13 7 Why We Teach Our First… Graders Shakespeare: Michael Fitzgerald American Thought Leaders Dec 01 • 610 64 Texas Sues Companies f… Collusion on Climate Agenda | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 30 • 297 163 Biden Visits Africa to… Counter Chinese Influence; Daniel Penny Trial Enters Final Stages NTD News Today Dec 03 • 2 7 Nine Commentari… on the Communist Party Part 2: The Beginnings of the Chinese Communist Party Documentaries Nov 30 • 16 4 Nine Commentari… on the Communist Party Part 4: On How the Communist Party Opposes the Universe Documentaries Dec 03 • 28 3 South Korea’s President Lif… Martial Law After Parliament Votes Against It; Trump’s Lawyers Urge Judge to Dismiss NY Criminal Case, NTD Evening News Dec 04 • 22 9 Biden Pardons His Son… Hunter; Trump Selects Kash NTD Good

• 3. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cris…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 3 of 24 FULL TRANSCRIPT Jan Jekielek: Dr. Drew Pinsky, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders. Dr. Drew Pinsky: It’s a pleasure to be here. Mr. Jekielek: You will be giving the keynote at this Brownstone Institute conference. Please tell us what you are expecting and what you hope to get out of it. Dr. Pinsky: It has already exceeded my expectations. Jeffrey Tucker, the head of Brownstone Institute, is such a genius. We live in a weird time of having salons and these gatherings. I had the privilege of being in several of David Rubin’s salons where I met interesting people and learned a lot. This is the same phenomenon. Fortunately, I’ve also interviewed many of the people here and it’s always been at a distance via Zoom. A lot of it started during COVID where you weren’t allowed to travel or come see anybody. But it was great to meet everybody in person, to hear them, and to have them sharing thoughts amongst themselves. I just took notes all day long. I just found it to be a thrilling experience. Mr. Jekielek: I’ve only been on camera talking to people, for maybe five, pushing on six years. You’ve been doing it for quite a bit longer. Morning Dec 02 • 17 23 House COVID Report Detail… CCP Malpractice; Prosecutors Object to Hunter Biden Tax Case Dismissal NTD Good Morning Dec 03 • 10 7 2024 Thanksgivin… Day Celebration | NTD Special Coverage Special Coverage Nov 28 • 54 6 Biden Urges Trump to… Reconsider Canada, Mexico Tariffs; 4 Democratic Lawmakers Receive Bomb Threats NTD Good Morning Nov 29 • 15 64 3 Americans Released Fro… Prison in China; Thanksgiving Travel in Full Swing NTD News Today Nov 28 • 2 1 Israel Votes on Cease-Fire… With Hezbollah; Mexico, Canada React to Potential Trump Tariffs NTD News Today Nov 27 • 7 4 Trump Cabinet Appointees… Targeted With Bomb Threats; Israel– Hezbollah Truce Holds Capitol Report Nov 28 • 25 16 Nine Commentari… on the Communist Party Part 1: On What the Communist Party Is Documentaries Nov 29 • 39 4 Giovanni Battista… Pergolesi: ‘Stabat mater dolorosa’ From ‘Stabat Mater’ Performance Nov 30 • 11 1 Trump Planning…

• 4. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cris…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 4 of 24 Dr. Pinsky: I’ve only been doing it for 35 years, to be precise. That’s a long time. Mr. Jekielek: You have had quite an evolution in your thinking. Dr. Pinsky: Fundamentally, I got involved in the media to try to do good, to use this juggernaut, this leviathan that is media, to try to help people be healthier, make good choices, and be happy. If there’s anything I can use the media for to try to climb into, even in environments where I don’t belong, if I can reach people that need what I’ve got, I’m happy to go there. This all started my digital stuff. I do another thing called Ask Dr. Drew Now, on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday at 3:00 pm PST in Los Angeles. We started that during the darker hours of the lockdowns during COVID, particularly in California, which were draconian. I just started answering questions live on this stream. Actually I think we even started on Facebook live. We just started it. I wanted to interact with people and try to reduce their anxiety and answer their questions. About a month into it I started feeling like I was in the French underground. It felt illicit. They were so aggressive with not allowing for any discourse or opinions. It just felt weird to me. So I just answered questions as I saw it, and then it evolved into other things. Mr. Jekielek: Even before this, you were focused on opioid addiction. Dr. Pinsky: A lot of my life was about running a large addiction Planning… Tariffs on Canada, Mexico, China; US Toolkit for Tackling Fentanyl China in Focus Nov 27 • 19 8 Recess Appointment… Trump’s Way to Bypass Senate Impasse?— Jeff Clark American Thought Leaders Nov 27 • 326 46 Trump Nominates D… Jay Bhattacharya to Head NIH; Israel– Hezbollah Cease-Fire Takes Effect NTD Good Morning Nov 27 • 12 6 Unveiling the Truth: Garry… Nolan’s Journey in UFO Research Bay Area Innovators Nov 28 • 150 76 Texas Turns Table on CC… Spies in America | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 26 • 159 107 NYC Thanksgivin… Day Parade: Behind the Scenes; Celebs Dish Out Thanksgiving Meals for the Homeless NTD Good Morning Nov 28 • 9 10 FCC to Fine Chinese Sma… Doorbell Maker Eken; Florida Man Sentenced to 4 Years for Being China Agent China in Focus Nov 26 • 45 16 Israel and Hezbollah… Reach CeaseFire Deal | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 27 • 12 13 Legality of Sanctuary… Cities Questioned as Crossroads Nov 28 • 177 235

• 5. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cris…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 5 of 24 program. Mr. Jekielek: Right, and that hasn’t gone away. Dr. Pinsky: No, it hasn’t gone away, but there’s movement at least. The playbook by which the opioid pandemic was delivered, at least the pharmaceutical opioid pandemic, was the exact same playbook that was used in COVID. That’s something I’m going to talk about in my presentation tomorrow night. Mr. Jekielek: Please tell us more, because we’re going to publish this interview after the conference. Dr. Pinsky: The first opioid crisis in this country was towards the end of the 19th century. The hypodermic needle, morphine sulfate, methadone, all these things were developed in the latter part of the 19th century. The physicians were the delivery system for the opioid pandemic in that area and it was massive. The Harrison Narcotics Act that came in in the early part of the 20th century is alleged to have jailed as many as 20,000 physicians for their excessive opioid prescribing, and that stopped immediately. That intervention was so draconian that physicians turned away from opiates for at least 60 years. We were cautious about them, afraid to use them, and were not using them. In the 60s and 70s, we started seeing the advent of more effective treatments of cancer. We had a lot of people living with cancer and developing more advanced stages of cancer before they died with pain. A group of people emerged who said, “This is ridiculous. We should be treating this,” Nov 28 • 177 235 F. Couperin: Les Barricad… Mystérieuses Performance Nov 28 • 11 2 Trump Vows 25 Percent… Tariffs on Canada, Mexico; What Trump’s Federal Case Victories Mean Moving Forward NTD Good Morning Nov 26 • 9 6 China Releases 3… Americans; How Trump’s Tariffs Could Impact Chinese Exports China in Focus Nov 28 • 18 8 Jack Smith Closes Case… on Trump; Europe Prepares for World War III | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 27 • 181 108 Blacklisted China… University Sends UMinnesota $3.5 Million; 30 More China Firms Banned for Forced Labor China in Focus Nov 23 • 67 23 SJSU Volleyball Co… Captain Brooke Slusser Stands Up for Fair Play in Women’s Sports Bay Area Innovators Nov 22 • 95 54 Israel– Hezbollah… Cease-Fire Deal Said to Be Within Sight; Biden Pardons 2 Thanksgiving Turkeys NTD News Today Nov 26 • 5 9 My Life With Shen Yun:… Lillian Parker Reflects on Her 7 Years Touring With the Company American Thought Leaders Nov 25 • 344 21 Judge Delays Trump’s NY… Case

• 6. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cris…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 6 of 24 which was absolutely great. For sure, that was true, and opioids were the answer. For acute cancer and surgical pain, opioids are the solution. They were never, ever shown to be useful in chronic pain. In other words, after about two weeks, opioids generally don’t work. They cause headache, back pain, and something called hyperalgesia, which is the intensification of pain. Everyone was getting strung out on oral opiates and said, “My back hurts.” That was the opioid withdrawal. The pain was overwhelming and disabling because of hyperalgesia, and it’s all opioid-induced. That’s the background. That group that came in that started managing pain in the cancer and surgical setting, and got very good at acute pain and cancer pain management, looked around and said, “There shouldn’t be any pain. We are the saviors of the American public. We’re going to prevent them from ever experiencing any pain.” I have all these quotes from the pain specialist of the day saying, “We considered ourselves to be a white hat profession. We were going to rescue the world from pain.” Then the evangelists from that discipline of pain management, which became a highly ensconced specialty of medicine, psychiatry, and anesthesia, became a structured, board-certified discipline. The leaders in that group went out and got control of the regulators. These evangelists went out and enlisted the medical societies, the U. S. Dept of Veterans Affairs [VA], and the local departments of health. The first to adopt this was the VA system, who adopted what these pain management guys were suggesting, which is that pain is more important than any other vital sign. Forget your pulse, what’s the pain scale? Pain became the fifth vital sign. NTD News Today Nov 23 • 2 8 Trump Sentencing… Postponed Indefinitely; Gaetz Not Returning to Congress; NATO Prepares to Talk to Kyiv After Russia’s Hypersonic Missile | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 23 • 21 17 New Age of Streaming… Begins as TV News Networks Falter | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 22 • 108 94 New Border Czar Wants t… Find 300,000 UnaccountedFor Children | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 23 • 259 159 Matt Gaetz Withdraws… From Consideration as Attorney General; ICC Issues Arrest Warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu NTD Evening News Nov 22 • 2 12 Trump Names Pam Bondi a… New Pick for Attorney General; ICC Issues Arrest Warrant for Netanyahu NTD Good Morning Nov 22 • 5 16 Texas Gov. Abbott Targe… CCP Infiltration; North Korea Sends War Supplies to Russia China in Focus Nov 22 • 55 13 What Should Trump Do… About the Border on Day 1?—Todd Bensman American Thought Leaders Nov 22 • 255 107 UAE Arrests 3 Suspects in… Israeli Rabbi Killing; 73 Russian Drones NTD Evening News

• 7. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cris…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 7 of 24 They created the slogan—pain is the fifth vital sign. That was a mandated measurement. You get the pulse, the blood pressure, the temperature, the respiration, and the pain scale. It was in every physical, every time a doctor interacted with a patient, mandated by the medical societies and the insurance agencies. Everybody mandated it. Doctors were trained to give as many opiates as the patient wanted. If they left with less than 60 pills of Vicodin, you were potentially abusing patients. When these regulatory standards kicked in, the lawyers caught wind of this. The legal system stepped in and started suing doctors and criminally prosecuting doctors for undertreatment of pain. In North Carolina, Florida, and California, doctors were going to jail again for not using enough opiates. When that happened, doctors froze immediately and stopped prescribing and sent everything to the pain management teams. Pain management said, “Pain is what the patient says it is. Pain controls what the patient says it is.” If that’s true, you don’t really even need a doctor. In some parts of Florida that’s exactly what happened. For instance, you could walk into a pain management clinic and say, “I’m in pain. I’m a nine out of ten. I need that Demerol. I need that fentanyl.” Then you walk out with your bag. My patients were killed by the hundreds by those practitioners. Of course, the opiate addicts loved it. These clinics were causing opiate addiction on one side, and they were killing opiate addicts on the other. I got so tired of taking patients off opiates. But when their pain went away, it was the same thing with every single patient. They would come in and I would ask, “What’s your pain on a scale of 10?” They would Nov 25 • 48 35 Trump Picks Brooke Rollin… for Agriculture Secretary; Weather May Affect Thanksgiving Travel NTD Evening News Nov 24 • 27 8 Dr. Annette Bosworth:… How to Eat to Slow Aging Vital Signs Nov 22 • 636 30 Amb. David Friedman:… How to Thwart Iran and Resolve the IsraeliPalestinian Conflict American Thought Leaders Nov 24 • 334 50 Beethoven: Symphony N… 3 | SKOB Performance Nov 26 • 51 5 Israeli Ambassador:… Deal With Hezbollah Is Days Away; Biden Team Races to Complete Spending Projects NTD Good Morning Nov 25 • 5 7 Sentencing Indefinitely… Postponed in Trump’s New York Criminal Case; Texas Governor Orders State to Divest From China NTD Evening News Nov 23 • 7 9 ICC Issues Arrest… Warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas Leaders; Ukraine Claims Russia Fired ICBM NTD News Today Nov 22 • 6 11 Trump Chooses Mat… Whitaker as NATO Ambassador; Man Found NTD News Today Nov 21 • 4 5 Texas Gov.

• 8. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cris…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 8 of 24 always answer, “15 or greater.” Then three days in, they detox and we get them off it. Three to five days later, they would not talk about pain anymore, but before, that’s all they could talk about. You would ask them, “What’s your pain on a scale of one to ten?” They would say, “Five.” This was with no treatment. It was just getting them off the opiates. This was happening to me all the time. I was getting these patients off opiates. Their pain was being managed. They were not troubled by pain anymore. But they’re drug addicts, so they would go back to their doctor. The doctor would say, “Why do you listen to those people? I told you you need to stay on this medication the rest of your life.” So many of my patients were killed that way. Mr. Jekielek: I was not aware of this at all. Dr. Pinsky: Think about COVID. You have these bureaucrats who are evangelically possessed. They think they are in the right. Guys like Scott Atlas and Robert Redfield provide data and try to reason with them. They say to them, “You’re outliers, get out of here. We know what’s right for the American public.” Dr. Birx evangelizes in every state and gets control of the governor’s and the regulators. Now, you have lockdowns. The exact same playbook again perpetrated by my profession Mr. Jekielek: How early did you see that something was off with COVID? Dr. Pinsky: With COVID, I knew something wasn’t right as soon as I heard, “Two weeks to flatten the curve,” which to me Texas Gov. Greg Abbott… Ramps up buoys along border, issues executive order targeting CCP operatives Capitol Report Nov 21 • 40 19 Rep. Mike Waltz on… Service and National Security | NTD’s Profiles of Service Promles of Service Nov 19 • 8 2 Trump Says He’s Prepare… to Declare a National Emergency | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 20 • 156 94 Trump Attends SpaceX… Starship Rocket Launch; Ukraine Fires US-Made Missiles Into Russia NTD Evening News Nov 20 • 12 5 On Day One, 8 Things Trum… Will Do With Executive Orders | Facts Matter Facts Matter Nov 19 • 535 177 US Deports 109 Chinese… Illegal Immigrants; CCP Agent Sentenced for Trying to Bribe IRS Official China in Focus Nov 21 • 47 40 Ukraine Fires Longer-Rang… US Missiles Into Russia; G20 Leaders Gather in Brazil NTD News Today Nov 20 • 4 14 FEMA Chief Deanne… Criswell Testifies Before Congress; Details on Trump’s New Picks | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 20 • 47 35 China Lists 4 ‘Red Lines’… During Biden– Xi Meeting; Stabbing in China Kills 8 China in Focus Nov 19 • 33 20 Car Crashes Into Crowd…

• 9. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cris…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 9 of 24 sounded like a marketing ploy. But okay, I’m going to see what’s going on. Then two things happened to me. One, the governor of California came on and said, “We’re going to do this. We’re going to lock down. I thought, “I can’t believe you’re doing that.” It just seemed like such a terrible idea. He brought the Navy’s hospital ship into Los Angeles Harbor. I thought, ”What is he expecting? I don’t see it. But okay, he’s preparing for the worst. I’m a good citizen. I’m going to support him, even though I think it’s a terrible idea and he doesn’t need to do it.” That was when I thought something wasn’t right. Then I was doing a nightly news broadcast in Los Angeles trying to help people understand what was going on. We were probably a week into that broadcast and a member of the school board came in and said, “We’re going to lock the schools down.” I said, “Why are you doing that? Who did you consult with? Did an infectious disease doctor come in and say that you’ve got to do this?” She replied, “No, it’s just the right thing to do.” I knew then that this was big, big trouble. That was in March of 2020. I thought the people, the press, were taking advantage of us to get our attention, make us panic, and enhance their business. The mistake I made was saying, “Listen to the CDC and listen to Dr. Fauci. I worked with them for years. They will get us through this.” That was the only thing I really got wrong. I didn’t realize how adulterated they would be. I was also saying, “Look, 12 years ago, we went through another pandemic. Did you know that? The H1N1 pandemic was nasty. It was a terrible illness. I had it and I had patients that had it. It was an awful Into Crowd… Outside School in China; Biden Pledges Record $4 Billion to World Bank China in Focus Nov 20 • 11 17 Trump’s FCC Chair Pick… Vows to Dismantle the ‘Censorship Cartel’ | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 21 • 154 64 Trump Selects Linda… McMahon for Secretary of Education; US Plans Sanctions After 45 Sentenced in Hong Kong NTD Good Morning Nov 20 • 7 6 House Ethics Committee… Fails to Reach Agreement on Releasing Probe Report on Matt Gaetz; Jose Ibarra Sentenced to Life in Prison Without Parole NTD Evening News Nov 21 • 10 13 Musk, Ramaswamy… Lay Out Plans for Slashing Government; Man Charged With Planning to Blow Up NYSE NTD Good Morning Nov 21 • 9 12 45 Sentenced to Prison in… Hong Kong Activist Case; Trump Taps Sean Duffy as Transportation Secretary NTD Good Morning Nov 19 • 5 4 Why Is North Korea Sendin… Soldiers Into Ukraine?–Greg Scarlatoiu American Thought Leaders Nov 20 • 351 43 Breaking Boundaries:… Garry Nolan’s Path to Scientific Greatness Bay Area Innovators Nov 20 • 83 7 Giovanni

• 10. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 10 of 24 illness that killed 300,000 people, but you don’t even know it happened. We’re going to go from that to destroying the world on behalf of this one? Isn’t there somewhere in the middle we could be?” That went down as Dr. Drew says, “This is just the flu.” There was hysteria. At the time, I said that if I had a very seriously ill patient and I stood at the end of the bed saying, ‘Oh my god, oh my god,’ is that going to help? Shouldn’t we do the best we can? This is a serious situation and we should sit tight.” That’s how you manage people. You don’t scream hysterically. You also don’t undo all your ethical standards and throw away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That’s what I can’t get over. There are some of us that can’t get over COVID—not the virus, but the way our country dealt with the COVID. It was just mindboggling. I felt like my world changed in March of 2020. I just can’t believe what happened. Mr. Jekielek: What are the biggest lessons you’ve learned watching society respond to these new medical scenarios? Dr. Pinsky: Most of our learning has been in the last four years, because I had a lot of assumptions about how things work before that. Something I was fighting against for many years was the insurance companies and the regulators interfering with my ability to take care of patients. That is constant. The COVID experience has re-entrenched my sense of the importance of autonomy and the sanctity of the physician-patient relationship. I feel that we have lost that battle, so much so that I’m working now with companies to try to deliver products Giovanni Girolamo… Kapsberger: Avrilla Mia Performance Nov 21 • 8 2 L.V. Beethoven:… Piano Concerto No. 1, Part 3 | Sofia Popescu | Classical Hugs Festival 2024 Performance Nov 16 • 28 7 J.S. Bach: Motete BWV… 227 ‘Jesu, meine Freude’ | J.S. Bach Foundation Performance Nov 19 • 72 7 US Bill Could End China’s… Special Trade Status; Trump’s Unexpected Defense Secretary Pick China in Focus Nov 16 • 44 22 Rep. Nancy Pelosi Files t… Run for Reelection; Trump Selects Doug Burgum to Lead Interior Department NTD Good Morning Nov 15 • 17 99 Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s… Plan to Revise American Health | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 16 • 190 48 Trump Confirms… Plans to Use Military Resources for Mass Deportation; Biden Pledges $4 Billion Contribution to World Bank NTD Evening News Nov 19 • 20 36 An Economic Storm May B… Coming— Here’s What Trump Can Do About It: Jeffrey Tucker American Thought Leaders Nov 17 • 582 125 Use Home Hydrotherap… to Combat Flu, Next Big Virus Vital Signs Nov 16 • 641 33

• 11. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 11 of 24 and services directly to patients and put the autonomy now with the patient, maybe with some telehealth support. The physician-patient unit is so badly encumbered and so badly adulterated right now that it’s hard for it to function. The idea that medicine can be centralized and algorithmatized is disgusting to me. It’s the exact opposite of how we’re going to get good health care in this country. Mr. Jekielek: I’ve spoken with a number of people at this conference who say the Hippocratic Oath means a lot less these days. Some people would even say it is being thrown out the window. Dr. Pinsky: It is certainly not being properly understood. Do no harm and risk-reward is gone. What happened? I feel that do no harm is my mandate, and risk-reward is what I must consider in every moment of my evaluation with a patient, even with advising them to cross the threshold of my office. There’s a risk-reward just in doing that. Francis Collins said it out loud. When you’re in his position, you just focus on one thing, the virus, and nothing else matters. When I was training residents, if they couldn’t come up with their risk-reward analysis on every decision they made, I would crucify them. If I had asked them why they made that decision, the thing that was the most intolerable was the answer, “I just had to do something.” No way. I’m not going to accept that, because that’s how you harm patients. It’s the opposite of do no harm, and it’s the opposite of risk-reward consideration. Mr. Jekielek: What about disclosure of risk? How does that fit in? Laken Riley Murder Trial… Kicks Off; Malcolm X’s Family Sues Law Enforcement NTD News Today Nov 16 • 3 26 Trump to Declare… National Emergency, Use Military for Mass Deportation; Biden Attends G20 in Brazil NTD News Today Nov 19 • 3 8 Restoring Free Speech in… Academia: Jay Bhattacharya American Thought Leaders Nov 15 • 437 46 Trump Taps North Dakota… Gov. Doug Burgum to Lead Interior Department; APEC Meeting Kicks Off in Peru NTD Evening News Nov 16 • 4 4 Biden Authorizes… Ukraine to Use US LongRange Missiles to Strike Deeper Inside Russia | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 19 • 38 59 Low-Cost Carrier Spirit… Airlines Files for Bankruptcy | Business Matters (Nov. 18) Business Matters Nov 19 • 2 2 What Rubio’s Nomination… Means for China Policy; Biden to Meet Xi for Final Time as President China in Focus Nov 15 • 26 16 Democrat Governors… Form Alliance to Resist Trump Policies | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 16 • 194 282 Ramaswamy: Some Federa… Agencies Will Be Deleted Outright; NTD Good Morning

• 12. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 12 of 24 Dr. Pinsky: No, that is informed consent. That is your basic job when you offer treatment to somebody. You have to make sure that it’s done with the patient. It may have been before my time that doctors would just do things and the patient would trust it. I was trained that it’s a co-decision and every single decision is made with the patient and the treatment is agreed upon with the patient based on my ability to communicate the riskreward analysis to them. Mr. Jekielek: I’ve recently become aware of this. Actually, today we talked about the increased commodification of the human being and the rise of utilitarian bioethics. I’m curious if you have followed any of this. Dr. Pinsky: I haven’t. But Brett Weinstein said something very prescient today when he talked about public health being the opposite of healthcare. A masters degree in public health means somebody trained in a system of transference of the well-being of one person to somebody else or the whole. That is anathema to healthcare. I can’t even imagine that we allow that, let alone train people to do that. Mr. Jekielek: Except there is a place for public health and looking at things from a broader perspective. Dr. Pinsky: Yes, and provide that information to the doctors and to the local community so they can make the decision where they can weigh these things and make a good decision. Mr. Jekielek: Morning Nov 18 • 9 8 RFK Jr. Hints at Food… Additives That Could Soon Be Banned | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 19 • 377 153 Biden’s Final Meeting With… China’s Xi; Trump Picks Chris Wright as Energy Secretary NTD Evening News Nov 17 • 18 20 Trump Appoints… Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as Secretary of Health and Human Services | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 15 • 42 22 Trump, Biden Agree on… Smooth Transition of Power in White House Meeting; Marco Rubio, Matt Gaetz, Tulsi Gabbard Receive Key Appointments NTD Evening News Nov 14 • 13 11 Judge Delays Ruling on… Whether to Toss Trump’s New York Case | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 13 • 21 19 Russia Open to Peace Tal… With Trump; The Onion Buys Alex Jones’s Infowars; Florida Sues FEMA NTD News Today Nov 15 • 5 3 Johann Pachelbel:… Canon in D (Flute, Violin, Cello Trio) - Wedding Music Performance Nov 14 • 6 3 Death on Demand?… Wesley J. Smith Explains the Assisted Suicide Movement American Thought Leaders Nov 13 • 374 122 NTD Good

• 13. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 13 of 24 It’s the subsidiarity principle, right? Dr. Pinsky: Yes, it’s the mandating. It’s the decisions from on high. Look, Alexis de Tocqueville, the French aristocrat, ran around this country to evaluate our penitentiary system, as it was called at the time, because it was so effective. He actually wanted to figure out why democracy, which he thought was the new movement worldwide that was inevitable in all countries, was working in America, so he wrote a two-volume book called Democracy in America. He concluded that the reason democracy worked here was because of the mindset that was practiced all the time. But most importantly, it was a local practice of democracy, local and decentralized. It’s why this country works. Centralization with a federal government was never supposed to be. It’s only supposed to deal with interstate commerce, make sure the states get along, and provide common defense. That’s it. Maybe protect some rights. Okay, done. Mr. Jekielek: In the medical context, have you thought about how to challenge that? Dr. Pinsky: That’s why we’re here, trying to figure this out. Again, I’ve been working with companies that are trying to get services and medications directly to patients in a cost-effective way. That’s been my latest thing, because I don’t know what to do with the practice of medicine generally. The young folks are being taught to look at the computer, fill out forms, do an algorithm, and look things up if they don’t know. I don’t know how you develop judgment doing that. I don’t know how NTD Good Morning Full… Broadcast (Nov. 12) NTD Good Morning Nov 12 • 9 2 Trump Selects Matt Gaetz f… Attorney General, Tulsi Gabbard for Director of National Intelligence Capitol Report Nov 14 • 50 35 Musk, Ramaswamy… to Lead Gov’t Efficiency Department; Pentagon Leaker Jack Teixeira Gets 15 Years NTD Good Morning Nov 13 • 15 7 Republicans Retain Hous… Majority, Completing Trifecta; Trump Announces Picks for AG, Intel Chief NTD Good Morning Nov 14 • 18 18 Judge Delays Ruling in… Trump’s NY Case; Congress Returns for Lame Duck Session NTD News Today Nov 13 • 14 22 Man Charged for… Trespassing at Trump Residence; China Reportedly Built Nuclear Reactor for Warships China in Focus Nov 12 • 35 16 Elon Musk, Vivek… Ramaswamy to Lead Trump’s New Department of Government Efficiency | Live With Josh  Crossroads Nov 14 • 203 127 Trump Announces… Additional Cabinet Picks; Judge Delays Ruling on Presidential Immunity in Hush Money Case NTD Evening News Nov 13 • 10 31 America Gains 1 Million… Square Facts Matter

• 14. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 14 of 24 you think about a risk-reward if all you’re doing is following an algorithm on your electronic medical record. It is really disturbing. Mr. Jekielek: In the last panel, we talked about parallel structures, something that came out of communism in Central and Eastern Europe. Dr. Pinsky: I do think there are going to be parallel systems. In and of itself, the insurance situation is so egregious. I don’t know if you understand how they muscle us. If you’re a Medicare provider, meaning you want to take care of the elderly, you are required to charge exactly what Medicare tells you to charge. If you make that charge, you have to justify it in the record that you meet the Medicare criteria for that charge. That charge is on average about $38 every 15 minutes. Mind you, it costs over $100 an hour to run a practice, but it’s about $38 every 15 minutes. Okay, so you’re making $20 now. That’s Medicare. On the regular insurance side, everything has to be preapproved and everything has to meet their criteria. They set their criteria arbitrarily. They evaluate the criteria at a distance based on what I tell them. Forget the fact that it’s my opinion that this patient needs this care, and here’s my justification. Let me show you how it works in an addiction unit. This would happen all the time. They would say, “Dr. Pinsky, I need this patient out in three days.” Now, these are people that need weeks of treatment, if not months of treatment, so I’m trying to figure out ways to extend their care and provide services in order to keep these people okay. Of course, the patient is mortified. They can’t believe that they will have to Facts Matter Nov 13 • 656 55 China’s Response to… Deadly Car Attack; Trump Picks Marco Rubio for Secretary of State China in Focus Nov 14 • 18 23 Robert F. Kennedy Jr.… Tapped as Secretary of Health and Human Services; Florida Sues FEMA Officials for Alleged Discrimination Against Trump Supporters NTD Evening News Nov 15 • 9 14 Trump Picks Mike Waltz a… National Security Adviser; Temu’s 30-day Deadline in Europe China in Focus Nov 13 • 33 10 Trump and Biden Meet a… White House; Sen. John Thune Selected as Senate GOP Leader NTD News Today Nov 14 • 4 5 Trump’s Law and Order Pl… | Live With Josh  Crossroads Nov 15 • 170 166 Government Agencies Ge… Ready for Mass Firings Under Trump Admin | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 13 • 812 706 Trump and Biden Meet a… White House; Sen. John Thune Selected as Senate GOP Leader NTD News Today Nov 14 • 4 5 China’s Response to… Deadly Car Attack; Trump Picks Marco Rubio for Secretary of State China in Focus Nov 14 • 18 23 Russia Open to Peace Tal… With Trump; NTD News Today

• 15. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 15 of 24 leave. They’re not well, and they’re in withdrawal. Why are they supposed to leave in three days? They feel like they need more help and more treatment. Their insurance company says, “Of course you can stay if Dr. Pinsky would just tell us what your criteria are.” But they don’t tell the patient that they set the criteria and that he’s already done that, and that they don’t feel like his criteria and our criteria quite meet eye to eye. Then I have to tell the patient, “If you’re still here tomorrow, I can’t rescue you from the cost of further hospitalization. It’s going to be out of pocket.” If you are a drug addict, this is going to be challenging. Then I got to figure out a place to put them and what to do. Let’s say that the patient goes out and overdoses or kills themselves. The insurance company takes the position, “We didn’t discharge the patient. We don’t practice medicine. There is Dr. Pinsky’s name right there on the discharge order. He wrote the discharge.” I got very upset with that nonsense several times. First of all, you make lots of appeals. The appeals go nowhere. I finally called the California Department of Insurance. My hospital gets a report from the insurance company. “It says, “We understand that Dr. Pinsky is not approving of our business practices. We’re going to no longer provide services for him. We will not certify him or the hospital. We’re going to decertify the entire hospital because of his complaint to the insurance commissioner.” That’s the game they play. Mr. Jekielek: We are four years beyond COVID. There are still a lot of questions about what the future holds in terms of pandemics and for health care in general. What needs NTD News Today Nov 15 • 5 3 Trump, Biden Agree on… Smooth Transition of Power in White House Meeting; Marco Rubio, Matt Gaetz, Tulsi Gabbard Receive Key Appointments NTD Evening News Nov 14 • 13 11 Elon Musk, Vivek… Ramaswamy to Lead Trump’s New Department of Government Efficiency | Live With Josh  Crossroads Nov 14 • 203 127 Johann Pachelbel:… Canon in D (Flute, Violin, Cello Trio) - Wedding Music Performance Nov 14 • 6 3 Death on Demand?… Wesley J. Smith Explains the Assisted Suicide Movement American Thought Leaders Nov 13 • 374 122 Robert F. Kennedy Jr.… Tapped as Secretary of Health and Human Services; Florida Sues FEMA Officials for Alleged Discrimination Against Trump Supporters NTD Evening News Nov 15 • 9 14 Government Agencies Ge… Ready for Mass Firings Under Trump Admin | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 13 • 812 706 Musk, Ramaswamy… to Lead Gov’t Efficiency Department; Pentagon Leaker Jack Teixeira Gets 15 Years NTD Good Morning Nov 13 • 15 7 Republicans Retain Hous… Majority, Completing NTD Good Morning

• 16. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 16 of 24 to happen now? Dr. Pinsky: You’ve heard in the room today that there needs to be a reckoning, and there needs to be apologies. There needs to be acknowledgement where there were errors and then corrective action put in place. But I’m fearful that there will not be enough of that to make a difference when another pandemic comes around. There will need to be lots of lawsuits, so that people understand the liability attached to making outrageous demands, outrageous mandates, and outrageous decisions, while not considering the impact of those decisions. Mr. Jekielek: People don’t necessarily realize that there were issues with the approaches that were used. They say that people just did their best. Dr. Pinsky: How did I know? How did I know that there was something wrong with what they were doing? We actually knew early and quickly. The part that I take issue with more than anything is that they did not change direction. They did not adjust course when there was evidence that what they were doing was harmful. They kept going and doubling down even to this day, right up to this moment. Why? If you’re going to have a vaccine mandate, why only two vaccines? Why are you only mandating Moderna and Pfizer? What’s wrong with Novavax? What’s wrong with Covexin? Let’s use a whole virus alternative. Why only the spike protein, the one pathogenic piece of this virus? You’re going to require people to re-expose themselves to that. But we know that’s what causes the damage. Morning Nov 14 • 18 18 NTD Good Morning Full… Broadcast (Nov. 12) NTD Good Morning Nov 12 • 9 2 Judge Delays Ruling on… Whether to Toss Trump’s New York Case | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 13 • 21 19 Trump Picks Mike Waltz a… National Security Adviser; Temu’s 30-day Deadline in Europe China in Focus Nov 13 • 33 10 Trump Announces… Additional Cabinet Picks; Judge Delays Ruling on Presidential Immunity in Hush Money Case NTD Evening News Nov 13 • 10 31 America Gains 1 Million… Square Kilometers After 20-Year Exploration | Facts Matter Facts Matter Nov 13 • 656 55 Judge Delays Ruling in… Trump’s NY Case; Congress Returns for Lame Duck Session NTD News Today Nov 13 • 14 22 Trump Selects Matt Gaetz f… Attorney General, Tulsi Gabbard for Director of National Intelligence Capitol Report Nov 14 • 50 35 Trump’s Law and Order Pl… | Live With Josh  Crossroads Nov 15 • 170 166 Man Charged for… Trespassing at China in Focus

• 17. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 17 of 24 Whole virus is a much better idea, or at least with Novavax, you know how much protein you’re getting exposed to. With mRNA, you might get extended production, which seems to be the problem with some of these long vaxxers. Why are you mandating that one? Why are we not allowing these other two? What’s going on? Just listen to what Scott Atlas and Robert Redfeld experienced when the non-physicians were making the decisions. If I learned one other thing above all else, people with lots of clinical experience should be making decisions about clinical treatments and syndromes, not bureaucrats, and by the way, not most public health officials. Most state public health officials are pediatricians. They should not be making decisions about adult medicine. I wouldn’t make any decisions about pediatrics. This is why if you give it back to the doctor patient, healthcare provider patient, you protect against a lot of these excesses. Mr. Jekielek: I see. You also talked about decentralization. Dr. Pinsky: I could see the decentralization immediately. By the way, in terms of stakeholders, the editorial board of the New York Times should not have a vote on a medical intervention. They can have their own opinions. They should not be mandating or demanding anything. The fact that government officials caved in to that was disgusting. Mr. Jekielek: There were also people who were out of school for up to three years. In the LA area, the number of people that actually came back to school afterwards was a lot less than expected. China in Focus Nov 12 • 35 16 Israelis Attacked in… Amsterdam; European Leaders Urge Trump on Russia– Ukraine War NTD News Today Nov 09 • 8 18 Trump Forms New… Administration; Elise Stefanik, Stephen Miller in Key Roles | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 12 • 31 32 Mozart: Flute and Harp… Concerto Performance Nov 12 • 127 14 News Outlets Mull a… Moderate Shift After Trump’s Victory | Live With Josh  Crossroads Nov 09 • 202 257 Lee Zeldin, Elise Stefani… Stephen Miller Join Trump’s Cabinet; Nation Honors Veterans’ Service NTD Evening News Nov 12 • 18 13 Trump Names Susan Wiles… as White House Chief of Staff; Speaker Johnson Lays Out Agenda for GOP NTD Good Morning Nov 08 • 22 32 Trump Outlines Day… One Priorities for White House Comeback; Biden Congratulates Trump on Election Win NTD Evening News Nov 08 • 31 49 Trump Names Former ICE… Director as Border Czar; 1 Dead, 16 Injured in NTD Good Morning Nov 11 • 12 19

• 18. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 18 of 24 Dr. Pinsky: It was predictable, and I kept saying it. I said, “You are sacrificing the eight to 15-year-olds. They are being sacrificed. They’re either not going to return to school or they’re going to be so damaged developmentally they will never recover. If they do recover, and I certainly trust and hope they will, they should be furious. They need their peers. They need their cognitive development. They need the activity. They need nutrition. They need to be surveyed in case there was any abuse or medical issues. This was a complete sacrifice of that population. Obviously, it was clear to me that when that school board member was sitting in my control room and we were broadcasting about them closing the schools that day, I knew right then it would be terribly damaging. I never imagined it would last two or three years. Delusional thinking has taken hold. I don’t know if it’s Trump derangement syndrome. I don’t know if it’s COVID panic. I don’t know if it’s the press that was doing it. People are delusional. Delusions are thoughts that are not reflective of reality, and that can’t be changed to reason. Historically, these things happen. They do. I started studying both the Jacobins in France and 20th century Russia. I see the same nonsense happening again, and it always ends badly. With the Jacobins, right on their heels, came the Committee for Public Health. That was Robespierre’s committee that brought terror to France. We have been here before, so we have to be careful. Yes, this is dangerous and we have to fight back. Mr. Jekielek: Let’s go back to the opioid situation, because you’ve obviously thought a lot about it. How Will Trump’s… Election Victory Impact His Criminal Cases? | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 08 • 24 15 Trump Picks Rep. Elise… Stefanik as Ambassador to UN; Biden, Harris Mark Veterans Day NTD News Today Nov 12 • 3 12 The Hidden Costs That… Impact California’s Housing Affordability | Nolan Gray | Jim Righeimer California Insider Nov 09 • 20 3 What Trump’s 2nd… Presidency Means for China; Who Could Join Trump’s New Cabinet? China in Focus Nov 08 • 25 8 Steve Madden Works to… Avoid China Tariffs; China Signals Desire for a Deal With Trump China in Focus Nov 09 • 75 35 Exposing an Illegal Chine… Immigration Hub Run by a CCP Police Officer: Philip Lenczycki American Thought Leaders Nov 10 • 629 82 Trump Says He’ll End Birt… Citizenship on Day One | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 12 • 789 834 Justice Department… Charges Iranian Agents for Plot to Assassinate Trump | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 09 • 38 41 DOJ Discloses Foiled Irania… Assassination Plot on Trump; Anti-Semitic NTD Evening News

• 19. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 19 of 24 Dr. Pinsky: I actually lived it. I was fighting it the whole way and I threw down early. I said, “This is crazy. You’re killing my patients.” I was sanctioned. I was brought in by my hospital administration. The Department of Mental Health came after me. My own medical society came after me. Why? They said, “He’s dangerous because he is interested in the patient’s suffering.” They said that I wanted patients to suffer. Why? Because I wouldn’t give opiates to an opiate addict in withdrawal. Because three days into his heroin withdrawal, that heroin addict had a somewhat unhappy face on his pain scale. Opiate addiction is a progressive disorder that ends in death. That’s it. Mr. Jekielek: You either get people off it or they’re done. Dr. Pinsky: Or they progress with their addiction and they will never see age 50. Heroin addicts almost never make it to age 50. Mr. Jekielek: What is the right way to deal with opiates, because they have flooded into our society? Dr. Pinsky: I’m dealing with this in California. The reason there is a problem in California is because we have a law that allows addicts to steal up to $900 a day to support their habit, and then essentially, they get a speeding ticket. Of course, they move along and don’t pay it. First, you have to tell people whose brains aren’t working right they can’t just lie down on the sidewalk. You have to say, “Come with me. I’m going to give you Nov 09 • 25 16 Johann Pachelbel:… Canon in D | Relaxing Piano Music Performance Nov 09 • 41 10 Tactics of Psychologic… Manipulation: Dr. Robert Malone American Thought Leaders Nov 08 • 710 62 Trump Wins Election;… Senate Flips to Republican; New Coalitions Forming | Facts Matter Facts Matter Nov 08 • 53 124 Trump Names Susan Wiles… as White House Chief of Staff; Speaker Johnson Lays Out Agenda for GOP NTD Good Morning Nov 08 • 22 32 Lee Zeldin, Elise Stefani… Stephen Miller Join Trump’s Cabinet; Nation Honors Veterans’ Service NTD Evening News Nov 12 • 18 13 Mozart: Flute and Harp… Concerto Performance Nov 12 • 127 14 DOJ Discloses Foiled Irania… Assassination Plot on Trump; Anti-Semitic Rioters Attack Israeli Soccer Fans in Amsterdam NTD Evening News Nov 09 • 25 16 Johann Pachelbel:… Canon in D | Relaxing Piano Music Performance Nov 09 • 41 10 Israelis

• 20. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 20 of 24 a place to live.” You have to be able to do that or they will die. They have a brain disease that causes something called anosognosia. Anosognosia is a biological block to personal insight, a mild psychological form of it. As the diseases progress, you actually can’t see what is happening to you. They will die if you privilege their anosognosia. In California, we privilege anosognosia in the law. We make it legal to use drugs, legal to traffic drugs, and legal to steal to support your habit. You’re allowed to lie down on the street and shoot wherever you want. We'll give you the needles and the heroin. I just talked to a kid who was about three years off the street. He said every single helper that he met on the street was giving him his needles and his heroin. They would pat him on the back and say, “You’re just a victim of capitalism. If we get communism in here, this will all go away. Don’t worry.” Literally, these are the caretakers of the medically ill in the streets, the dying opiate addicts. That’s what the caretakers tell them, “Take the heroin. Don’t worry about it. We'll get you out of this when we get communism in place.” This kid just laughs about it now. He couldn’t believe it. But back then, he just didn’t care. He said, “As long as you give me the drugs, I’m fine.” Actually, even if you have a nurse administering the heroin, it’s a progressive illness that ends in death. You’re just waiting for somebody to die when you’re maintaining them like that. Mr. Jekielek: Nobody has ever described this to me. Israelis Attacked in… Amsterdam; European Leaders Urge Trump on Russia– Ukraine War NTD News Today Nov 09 • 8 18 Steve Madden Works to… Avoid China Tariffs; China Signals Desire for a Deal With Trump China in Focus Nov 09 • 75 35 The Hidden Costs That… Impact California’s Housing Affordability | Nolan Gray | Jim Righeimer California Insider Nov 09 • 20 3 Trump Outlines Day… One Priorities for White House Comeback; Biden Congratulates Trump on Election Win NTD Evening News Nov 08 • 31 49 Exposing an Illegal Chine… Immigration Hub Run by a CCP Police Officer: Philip Lenczycki American Thought Leaders Nov 10 • 629 82 Trump Picks Rep. Elise… Stefanik as Ambassador to UN; Biden, Harris Mark Veterans Day NTD News Today Nov 12 • 3 12 News Outlets Mull a… Moderate Shift After Trump’s Victory | Live With Josh  Crossroads Nov 09 • 202 257 Trump Wins Election;… Senate Flips to Republican; New Coalitions Forming | Facts Matter Facts Matter Nov 08 • 53 124 Trump Says He’ll End Birt… Citizenship on Day One | Live With Josh Crossroads Nov 12 • 789 834 Trump Forms

• 21. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 21 of 24 Dr. Pinsky: You have to be able to say, “Come with me, I have something for you.” By the way, I know how to design the programs. They are a lot less expensive than what they are actually doing on the street today. It’s not that expensive. It’s not that hard. People still have this movie in their mind, “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.” First of all, imagine if that was a documentary. That was not. That was a fictionalized version of a state hospital. State hospitals do not exist anymore. Nowadays, it’s like a hotel and it’s lovely. People can arrive, get care, be well taken care of, and be well fed. I want to remind people that Ken Kesey’s, “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest,” was 75 years ago. You’re going to allow that to determine how we approach modern brain services today? It’s so ridiculous. It’s disgusting to me. Mr. Jekielek: But there’s a pretty simple approach to help these people. Dr. Pinsky: But it has become political and you’re not allowed to do it. If I were to take that attitude, “Come with me now. Let’s go,” I would be guilty of kidnapping right then. Boom. Now, we walk around Skid Row and say, “Hey man, do you want some help?” They reply, “No, I’m fine.” When they are really desperate, they will say, “Yes, I'll take some help.” They clean up a little bit and then say, “OK, I’m done. I’m going back out.” Mr. Jekielek: People that have made it off the streets said that someone came in and did an intervention on them, and that’s what saved their life. Trump Forms New… Administration; Elise Stefanik, Stephen Miller in Key Roles | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 12 • 31 32 Tactics of Psychologic… Manipulation: Dr. Robert Malone American Thought Leaders Nov 08 • 710 62 Trump Names Former ICE… Director as Border Czar; 1 Dead, 16 Injured in Tuskegee University Shooting NTD Good Morning Nov 11 • 12 19 How Will Trump’s… Election Victory Impact His Criminal Cases? | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 08 • 24 15 What Trump’s 2nd… Presidency Means for China; Who Could Join Trump’s New Cabinet? China in Focus Nov 08 • 25 8 Justice Department… Charges Iranian Agents for Plot to Assassinate Trump | Capitol Report Capitol Report Nov 09 • 38 41

• 22. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 22 of 24 Dr. Pinsky: It’s usually loss that causes addicts to get through their denial or anosognosia. It could be loss of your children or loss of your freedom. A court can help us mandate care for people for a little while. If they have a near-death experience, that’s when they say, “I think I’m ready to do this.” Mr. Jekielek: A final thought as we finish? Dr. Pinsky: I can’t believe I live in the world I live in, much like Jeffrey Tucker said in his opening remarks today. But I’m so grateful that we’re here and we’re having these meetings. All these people interrupted their lives, came to Pittsburgh, and are sharing ideas. They are interested in making a difference. Even if we’re radical outsiders, at least we can try to move things in a healthy direction. I’m a little bit optimistic. We'll see. I’m tired on the drug addiction front. I’ve been screaming about that for years. It is the same thing with other serious mental illnesses. We treat brain diseases differently than other diseases for no good reason. If somebody’s on the street with a heart attack, we treat them. If somebody’s on the street with a seizure, we treat them. But if somebody’s on the street with schizophrenia, we leave them alone. It’s stigmatizing. It’s draconian. It is medieval. Unfortunately, we had echoes of this in the COVID epidemic. I have shared similar frustrations about what happened there. We have to find ways to restore sanity and decentralize, much as Alexis de Tocqueville suggested in 1829. He said that it’s local practice and the local relationships that make things work in

• 23. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 23 of 24 America. Mr. Jekielek: Dr. Drew Pinsky, it’s such a pleasure to have you on the show. Dr. Pinsky: Thank you, I appreciate it. Read Less 31 Comments Our community thrives on respectful dialogue, so we kindly ask that you adhere to our guidelines when sharing your thoughts, commentary, and expertise. This includes no personal attacks, profanity, or derogatory language. While we encourage discussion, comments are not active on all stories, to help our community team manage the high volume of responses. Settings • Sort by J Write a comment... Comments do not reflect the views of The Epoch Times count their votes at the precinct level. The voting machine/software companies and their enables are destroying the USA. We have to end mail in ballots and computer tabulators. REPLY 4 Show 1 Reply J 19 hours ago I’ll start with the warning siren. We have recently experienced the murder of a insurance company official. There were reports of words disparaging insurance company practices on Latest SHARE jturne

• 24. Dr. Drew: From the Opioid Crisis to COVID, the Physician–Patient Relationship Is Increasingly Impaired | EpochTV 9/12/2024, 10:26 am https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/dr-drew-from-the-opioid-cri…e-physician-patient-relationship-is-increasingly-impaired-5758045 Page 24 of 24 the bullets. This particular insurance company has the reputation of being most stringent. There’s been some speculation that this companies practices may have led to the murder. Dr Drew’s description of the insurers practices he has had to deal with surely support and justify the hostilities they have engender. My observations lead me to believe that our elite decision-makers goal is a computer driven medical system where diagnosies are developed and specific therapeutics are identified. One size will fit all. No deviations. No questions. No advocacy. Constrained costs. The ends justify the processes used to achieve them. To me the first order of business is what kind of a medical system we want and will support. I’m for the traditional system Dr’s Drew and